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Sara Korolevich: Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us for VDA's webinar.

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Sara Korolevich: an update about the New York City 2027 break code compliance. We're going to get started here in just a minute. We'll let some other attendees join us, so

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Sara Korolevich: Just hang on for a minute, please. Thank you.

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Sara Korolevich: Alright, I think we can get started.

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Sara Korolevich: Everyone's ready. Again, thank you for joining us.

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Sara Korolevich: to our webinar.

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Sara Korolevich: If you're not familiar with VDA, we are a vertical transportation consulting firm.

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Sara Korolevich: serving clients across the U.S, Canada, and the UK. We help with elevator and escalator design for new construction and modernization projects for existing buildings, and we also provide inspection services to help teams stay aligned with local code requirements.

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Sara Korolevich: Programs like this webinar are meant to help building owners and property management teams better understand both current elevator codes and new updates that may affect their buildings.

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Sara Korolevich: Let's, cover a few housekeeping items before we get started.

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Sara Korolevich: Please use the Zoom chat for comments, reactions, and links. You can find it at the bottom of your screen.

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Sara Korolevich: And use the Q&A box for questions. We will, of course, have a live Q&A session with Greg at the end of this webinar, which should last about 25 to 30 minutes, and then we'll have the Q&A. Click the live transcript button to enable closed captioning.

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Sara Korolevich: And, of course, the recording and slides will be shared after the webinar. You can take a look in your email inbox for those.

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Sara Korolevich: Our prerequisite disclaimer, the information provided during this webinar is for general educational and informational purposes only. It does not constitute professional or legal advice, and you are encouraged to consult with a qualified professional.

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Sara Korolevich: Regarding your specific situation before taking any action based on the information presented.

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Sara Korolevich: All right, let's start off with a quick poll. This is a New York City-focused webinar after all, so please, take a second, let us know where you're joining us from.

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Sara Korolevich: Myself, I'm sadly not in New York City, I'm joining you all from Phoenix, where we are feeling the heat.

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Sara Korolevich: Alright, looks like we've got, a lot of people from Manhattan.

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Sara Korolevich: One more second, we'll end the poll.

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Sara Korolevich: Pretty good turnout. Alright, let's see.

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Sara Korolevich: Looks like most people are from Manhattan, 63%, alright, followed by

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Sara Korolevich: Interesting, none of the above. That's including me.

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Sara Korolevich: Alright, let's keep going.

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Sara Korolevich: All right, who's our presenter? Greg DiCola, Vice President of Codes and Standards at VDA. Greg, thank you for joining us. Do you want to share a little bit about your background before we cover the agenda?

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Greg DeCola: Sure. I'm Greg DeCola, been in the elevator industry really my whole life, all different

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Greg DeCola: Aspects from

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Greg DeCola: Being in the field, to management with some major elevator companies, to the inspection consulting side for the past,

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Greg DeCola: close to 20 years now. I sit on a bunch of the national code committees, as well as the New York City Code Committee, and I'm former owner of Omega Industries, but now

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Greg DeCola: We're part of VDA, and, again, the Vice President of Codes and Standards.

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Sara Korolevich: Excellent, thank you for that.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay, what are we going to cover today in the next 30 minutes? We're going to take a quick look at elevator history, talk about New York in general, the Department of Buildings inspection requirements, why we're all here today, which is what's changing, with the New York, brake code, sorry.

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Sara Korolevich: And what does a compliant machine look like? What steps do you need to take?

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Sara Korolevich: How can VDA help? And then, of course, we'll get to your, submitted live questions, so again, use that Q&A box.

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Sara Korolevich: All right, I'm going to hand it back over to you, Greg, to give us a quick look at elevator history.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, good morning, everyone, and it is a beautiful day here in New York, Wednesday morning.

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Greg DeCola: So, glad you can spend some time with us. Before we get into the code stuff, let's have a little history lesson here, and let's go through some of the elevator stuff, right? So

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Greg DeCola: The first elevator safety break was 1852.

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Greg DeCola: Which is interesting, because we're talking about safety breaks today.

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Greg DeCola: Then, fast forward to 1878, that was our first hydraulic passenger elevator, and that was not a traditional hydro like we think about, it was more of a water pressure hydro, and the people that worked on that were plumbers more than elevator personnel.

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Greg DeCola: Then in 1950, we had our first elevators operated without an attendant.

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Greg DeCola: Everything prior to that was a person inside the elevator that would manually ride the elevator for you up and down. There's still several buildings like that all around Manhattan.

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Greg DeCola: Then into the 1979-80s, we got into the microcomputer systems.

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Greg DeCola: With the, you know, invent of Computer chips and whatnot.

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Greg DeCola: And then, into the 2000 is when we came out with the first machine roomless elevator system.

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Greg DeCola: And that system, uses steel-coated belts instead of hoist ropes, but the key to the MRL is that it's machine roomless. So just to go through a quick little history of the elevator.

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Greg DeCola: Next slide, please.

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Greg DeCola: So, now I'm going to give you some numbers about New York City, which is very interesting. Now, this is only for the 5 boroughs, so we're just talking about just the 5 boroughs alone.

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Greg DeCola: We have 84,000 plus.

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Greg DeCola: Why do we say plus? Well, there's

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Greg DeCola: Permits out there for probably another close to 2,000 devices that we know of.

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Greg DeCola: And what's interesting is I was talking to someone, nationally yesterday, and I was going through these numbers with them, and they're saying how, yeah, there's only, you know, 84,000 elevators in New York City. They, they thought I was talking about the whole state.

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Greg DeCola: I'm like, no, if you add Long Island, Westchester, Rothland, Albany, Rochester, go through the whole state, I mean, your New York's numbers are skyrocket.

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Greg DeCola: So back to New York City. The five boroughs, 84,000. That's that represents about 12% of the elevators, throughout the U.S.

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Greg DeCola: 170,000 elevator inspections perform annually in New York City, through different people. I'm going to talk about that in a little while.

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Greg DeCola: This number I felt was a little low, 46,000 violations written annually. I know if you're a building owner, you probably have a couple written on your devices all the time, right?

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Greg DeCola: The average elevator makes 500 trips a day.

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Greg DeCola: Okay? Which is roughly 42 million total trips per day, right? And that's why I use the term all the time that elevator is the safest form of travel.

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Greg DeCola: Because you are traveling, and if you think of the speeds we're doing.

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Greg DeCola: Yeah, we are by far the safest form of travel.

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Greg DeCola: So, let's talk about, these tests that are done. So, inside New York City is 5 boroughs, you have your annual inspection requirements that we have here.

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Greg DeCola: And there's different types. There's a periodic inspection, and there's category inspections.

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Greg DeCola: How I relate them, too, is the periodic inspection is a safety inspection

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Greg DeCola: That's performed by licensed elevator people, and we are there, and I do a lot of these, we're there to check the safety of the elevator device for the riding public.

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Greg DeCola: So, we're gonna be there, and we're going to be it's a somewhat of a low-impact test for the building owners.

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Greg DeCola: But we're there, and we're checking the the bells, we're checking the phones, we're checking the stop buttons, we're checking the doors for finger gaps, we're checking, you know, all the different systems, that, you know, the leveling of the elevator that can really affect the riding public.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, and then we have the whole filing here of when it has to be filed, and then the affirmation of corrections.

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Greg DeCola: And then, you know, what our timelines are with that. The biggest timeline that we have is that it's

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Greg DeCola: Sometimes we get scheduling very, very difficult, and this is what you need to know for sure as a billing owner, is that we need 3 months between inspections, okay? Which means if we haven't done one inspection in your building.

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Greg DeCola: by September-ish, well, we're getting close to that deadline, we're not going to get to both inspections throughout the calendar year, because we can't.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, just keep that in mind.

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Greg DeCola: So now going to the bottom column is our category inspections. Talking about category inspections, this is where

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Greg DeCola: us, VDA, would witness the inspection, and we would witness this inspection with your elevator contractor. So basically, they would have a testing team.

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Greg DeCola: And then we would be there to witness the testing team and go through the whole category, criteria. There's two different category inspections. There's your Category 1, which is your annual inspection, and your Category 5.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, the Category 5

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Greg DeCola: is they're all very important, but the Category 5, this is where we're going to test your elevator at full speed, full weight.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, and that is a

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Greg DeCola: tests that sometimes, can result in a shutdown failure, similar to the Cat 1, but that's where we're really putting the elevator through its motions, and that's every 5 years. However, I will tell you that the Category 1 inspection is due throughout the calendar year.

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Greg DeCola: The Category 5 is due in the month that the inspection is due. So make sure you are very careful with that, and you do not miss that month.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, we're gonna get into fines and fees next, and I'll talk to you more about that. So just keep that in mind. So

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Greg DeCola: As a building owner, manager, super, someone who's in charge of it, you always want to make sure that you know

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Greg DeCola: the dates of your inspections. You know, two things, right? Periodic, what's my date? Okay, my Cat 1 should be 3 months at least, and then my Cat 5, what's my Cat 5 date, okay?

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Greg DeCola: And that's why sometimes on your Cat 5 date, if possible, we'll try and do the Category 1 and Category 5 at the same time.

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Greg DeCola: Okay? If we can move on to the next slide, and we'll go through some more stuff.

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Greg DeCola: So, let's talk about some money, right? Who has money to spend at DOB, right? I try not to.

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Greg DeCola: So that periodic inspection, the filing fee is $30. Same thing with the Category 1. The Category 5 filing fee is $40, okay?

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Greg DeCola: If you miss your inspection.

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Greg DeCola: your Category 1 or your periodic is a $3,000 fine. That's why we say you really gotta get one of those two tests done

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Greg DeCola: by September, so we don't run out of time.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, I can tell you personally, I hate Doing it.

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Greg DeCola: But it seems like almost every year I'm doing it, I am testing elevators on December 31st, right? Because that's the last possible day.

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Greg DeCola: If you are late filing, it's $150 per month for the periodic, or Category 1.

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Greg DeCola: And the Category 5 would be $250 per month.

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Greg DeCola: That's a very important piece to think about on those Category 5s, because a lot of the owners are like, oh, we have the whole year. I'm like, we do not have the whole year, we have the month. I'll give you a perfect example. If you're due in June, right, well, today's June 3rd.

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Greg DeCola: Right? Our schedules are probably already booked up for June. So, for us to get your Category 5 done in June is going to represent a little difficult task for us. We'll get it done for you, we always do, but just

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Greg DeCola: be careful of those dates, okay? Because then we submit the form, and then it's $250 instantly, okay, for a late filing on it.

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Greg DeCola: Personally, my rule of thumb was it's a 60-month test.

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Greg DeCola: I back it out 2 months, so I consider them a 58-month test. And this way now, if I'm scheduling 2 months earlier, then if we do have an issue, we can correct it, because that's the other thing, the Category 5 cannot be unsatisfactory.

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Greg DeCola: So if the Category 5 fails, the elevator has to be shut down.

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Greg DeCola: Now, think about this. If we're doing this test towards the end of the month.

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Greg DeCola: And now we have a failure, and now it's something that's not covered by the elevator contractor. They now have to get you a proposal, get you to agree to the proposal, sign it, send it back to them. So so there's a lot of mechanics there, and that's how we get into this late filing.

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Greg DeCola: All the time. So personally, I like doing my Category 5s a month or two months prior.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, and these are your fees.

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Greg DeCola: On to our next slide, please.

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Greg DeCola: So, I, put this together, just from talking with building owners through the years. You know, they're like, okay, you know, we know you're gonna come do the test, you know, what am I responsible for, right? What's my, what can you, you know, write me an unsatisfactory for?

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Greg DeCola: And these are the items that I put together. Again, there could be a lot more to this, your building may or may not have some of these, but I'll point out some of them.

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Greg DeCola: So, in the machine room, we'll start there.

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Greg DeCola: Your guards.

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Greg DeCola: that are on your lights, right? That's probably one of the biggest things. Going back years ago, that was a big thing, where our lights weren't guarded. Now you can buy the, light bulbs that have guards in them, which is fine. As an and I'll talk to you about me as an inspector. As an inspector, I just need to see that label.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, as he said, label. Okay. Continuing on.

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Greg DeCola: The fire extinguisher.

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Greg DeCola: I would say, in my top 3 unsatisfactories, building owners, Fire extinguish is it.

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Greg DeCola: Has to be a type ABC, and usually what happens is you have a contract with a fire company, and they'll come and service all your fire extinguishers. However, the one they can't get to is the elevator machine room, because that door's locked.

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Greg DeCola: So that is one of our biggest unsatisfactories all the time, goes back to the building.

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Greg DeCola: The fire service log. If you have a larger commercial building, you have to have your log there, and we're going to view that log when we do our testing. So make sure that log is in a place that we know we can find, and that is complete.

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Greg DeCola: The clean motor room, overhead, and floor.

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Greg DeCola: Two things with this, you know, I like a clean motor room. As an inspector, when I walk into a clean motor room with a painted floor and nice lights on, you know, I'm okay, someone's looking out for this place, someone's taking care of it, right?

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Greg DeCola: I'm also a big believer on the zen of the elevator, right? And a, nice, clean elevator means it's going to perform well for you, because it's feeling that it's loved, right? So, let's keep those motor rooms clean.

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Greg DeCola: So remove the trash, or non-elevator items. I know this is a big thing we have when we're testing, a lot of the hydraulics, is that the hydraulic motor is usually next to the exit to the building.

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Greg DeCola: And in the wintertime, what's stored in my hydraulic motor room is the snow blower for the sidewalks.

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Greg DeCola: Or the shovels. Or the salt.

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Greg DeCola: All that stuff can't be stored there.

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Greg DeCola: Right? I know it's a beautiful room that's locked and is controlled by you, but please, only keep elevator items in those rooms. Especially the snow blowers, because now we have hydraulic fluid, and now you have a gas snowblower, right? So that that can represent a big fire hazard. And then your fire extinguisher's outdated, or it's not even there, right?

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Greg DeCola: And then this is the this comes up a bunch, the air conditioners, your cabinet to store parts, yeah, how about your entrance to the elevator machine room, right? Is it on a, you know, is there a,

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Greg DeCola: A stairway, how's that stairway work? Ventilation. Back to the air conditioner for a second, the rule of thumb is this, is if the elevator machine room has an air conditioner, well, the air conditioner has to work.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, we've had that cited, and then I get the building owners call me, and I'm like, yeah, if you have one, it has to work, okay? Let's talk to the pit. Well, the labeling of the doors

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Greg DeCola: the pit doors, and then if you have a, an actual walk-in pit, then we want you to have the self-locking door, okay? Some pumps that are in the pit that cover for the sump pumps is your responsibility.

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Greg DeCola: And then, of course, if there's water in the pit, yes, that is something that the billing is going to have to handle, but that's going to be coordinated effort with your elevator contractor.

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Greg DeCola: Inside the elevator, very important that we have communication.

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Greg DeCola: If we have proper communication and people are stuck, we can talk to them. So we want to have that communication, we want to have that communication working.

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Greg DeCola: And that, again, is probably one of the biggest things that I find unsatisfactory is my top two, is the communications side, the elevator doesn't work.

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Greg DeCola: A lot of times, it goes to a larger building account, and there's a phone number associated with the elevator, and no one can figure out what the phone number is, and then they get a bill, and someone's gonna try and save money, and they cancel that line.

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Greg DeCola: And guess what? They just canceled the elevator phone.

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Greg DeCola: So make sure those work.

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Greg DeCola: Your certificate, if you can keep it there, great. If not, then at least we have to post where it is, the location of it. In the future, we're going away from these paper certificates, but for right now, we still have that.

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Greg DeCola: And then you're in case of fireside, right, location.

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Greg DeCola: And then the cab lights are your responsibility, the flooring is your responsibility, and the handrails are your responsibility also. The flooring, yes. The flooring is a big thing. We want to make sure that we have a safe surface for people to come into the elevator and stand on.

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Greg DeCola: Okay?

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Greg DeCola: Next slide, please.

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Greg DeCola: And, this one I just threw in as a quick reminder that every building, and this, again, is in New York City.

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Greg DeCola: You must maintain your elevator up to code of install and changes. We're gonna talk about that in a minute.

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Greg DeCola: You have to post your required data plate on main lines to reflect the year of install.

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Greg DeCola: You have to have an elevator control program in place, keep a maintenance logbook, and have a maintenance contract in place for every device with an approved elevator agency. So please, make sure that last one that you have a contract for every device that you have inside of your building.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, and then that you do have a contract, and your contractor is a recognized New York City Department of Buildings licensed elevator contractor.

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Greg DeCola: That there is one that can turn into a painful lesson. If you use an unlicensed company, you will get a major fine and a court appearance. So make sure you have a maintenance contract for every elevator, and that you're using licensed people.

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Greg DeCola: Okay.

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Greg DeCola: on to our next slide, which is our star of the day, right? We've been waiting for this one.

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Greg DeCola: So, this is effective by January 1st, 2027.

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Greg DeCola: Where you been? Okay, this came out 10 years ago. New York City gave you a 10-year window to get this done.

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Greg DeCola: And I'll go back to something else we had. We had a window for door lock monitoring, if you remember.

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Greg DeCola: And for a lot of my customers at the time, if your elevator needed door lock monitoring and you had a single plunger break, we were trying to advise you to do a complete

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Greg DeCola: Just for the money aspect of it. But, okay, you didn't do it. Let's talk about it. What is it? What do I have to do?

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Greg DeCola: So, this is based off 2014 building code. Again, it was adopted in, you know, 16 into 17. That's why we gave it a 10-year window.

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Greg DeCola: And now you have this emergency brake that actually stops, stops the elevator. Okay, so that's what the unintended movement is, is an unintended moving.

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Greg DeCola: Stop me. Otherwise, our issue is, is the elevator can now float with the doors open.

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Greg DeCola: So, if your elevator is between the age of 18 to 20 years old, it would be our recommendation to modernize it.

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Greg DeCola: I could tell you that just because it's old doesn't mean it's not compliant also, so there's two ways to do this thing here, right? Some of the older elevators do have double brakes, and they're great, and they're fine.

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Greg DeCola: We'll talk later on about what we should do and your next steps with this journey of the, of the, single plunger break.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, on to the next slide, please.

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Greg DeCola: So what I did on the next slide, you'll see, is I pointed out two different types of older machines on purpose. So if you look on the one on the left, that's a 1975 armor install, and we're not here to beat on anyone, but it's a great example.

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Greg DeCola: I said, okay, I'll put together a list, and it will be maybe 10, 15 different devices, it'll be easy, we get to list everyone, and then, you know, everyone will be able to sort through this and figure it out.

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Greg DeCola: That was not the answer. We started the list, and it just kept going, and going, and going, and got massive, and we stopped the list. I'll give you a perfect example. I have an elevator that was installed in the mid-2000s that you would think would be compliant, and it is not.

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Greg DeCola: Now, the rope gripper is not the only way to achieve unintended movement, but for an older machine like this, in a slow-speed application, this is one way.

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Greg DeCola: And this is an easy way, and you can see what we did here. If you look to circle to the right, we have a bolt-on unit that bolts on to the bed plate,

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Greg DeCola: get me into a high-speed application, I cannot use this. So basically a rope gripper. What it does is, it's kind of self-explanatory. It is a device that senses this elevator moving.

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Greg DeCola: And we're waiting for a final clarification from the Department of Buildings, but as of right now, they want us to shut those elevators down, because it's a safety item. This is a life safety item.

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Greg DeCola: And what the DOB's stance is, is it's a life safety item, and we gave you 10 years to do this. So if we have a life safety item that's required by code, and we gave you 10 years to do it, and you did not do it, well, now they want us, meaning the inspectors, to shut the elevator down.

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Greg DeCola: And now we're gonna note it on our inspection report. And so now you're gonna have to install one of these units, in order to comply.

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Greg DeCola: Okay, and then with the DOB, turns into fines and all that stuff. That's why we went through that to start. So, what do we need you to do? Well, I know us VDA, as we've been doing our testing this year, we've added this little checkbox of single plunger.

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Greg DeCola: Depending on, you know, what services you're already buying from us, as to whether, you know, it's something that's going to be an additional proposal or not. But for us, we could put together this

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Greg DeCola: And we got multiple companies because they weren't thrilled with their current elevator contract to start, so this was a good reason for them to explore their other options also with this, right?

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Greg DeCola: You know, and what we need to do is, step three is begin that oversight. You know, let us become your technical advocate for this. You know, your elevator is probably one of the most expensive and most critical parts of your building.

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Greg DeCola: I'm going to hand things back to Sarah for a minute, and then we'll talk about, you know, what we do here. What's our you know, and if you have some questions, I saw a bunch of things flashing on the screen, so I'll see if I can get these questions for you, okay?

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Sara Korolevich: Yes, we will get to the questions momentarily. Thank you so much, Greg, that was super informative. I do see questions coming in to our Q&A box. Thank you, everyone. Please use the Q&A box for your questions, that way I know where to find them, and I can

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Sara Korolevich: Would you like VDA to reach out? We can make it easy for you, we'll just go ahead and

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Greg DeCola: Yes, definitely.

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Greg DeCola: Can you reach out to me today?

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Sara Korolevich: Let us know, we can reach out. If now is not a good time, that's fine too.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay, so And the poll, and let's get to our Q&A.

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Sara Korolevich: Let's see, I'll start at the top, Greg, and let's see

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Sara Korolevich: Chris, Christopher wants to know, why would the elevator move unintentionally, going back to the brakes?

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Greg DeCola: Yeah, so I didn't want to get deep in the woods and technical with the single plunger break. The issue with the single plunger break is that,

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Greg DeCola: To the point that they get stuck on each other, so it becomes a mechanical bind, and now your brake is open.

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Greg DeCola: So think about your car, right? If you your car, you have 4 tires, you have 4 brakes on it. Well, let's take 3 of them away, and only have 1 of them, and now let's say you have a problem on that one brake. Well, that's that's what lets that's what leads the car to to kind of run away. The other thing is the elevator theory.

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Greg DeCola: that most people don't know is that you have counterweights that counter-ride the elevator that are much heavier than the elevator. So, if the brake opens, the elevator's gonna shoot up.

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Greg DeCola: Not like the movies where they shoot down.

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Sara Korolevich: What if we were in contract for Ahmad before January 2027, but have not started the actual work yet? Are we still compliant?

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Greg DeCola: That and this, I'm just using my door lock monitoring experience, so we haven't done this yet, but I'm going off of the DLMs. The issue that we had back in the DLM days was we had people that were trying to submit signed proposals

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Greg DeCola: I would I would say yes and no. Don't assume that you're good. How's that?

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Greg DeCola: You know, so if you're a verified customer, I would say, yes, you definitely know it. If we've done evaluations for you, yes, definitely. But if you're just a testing customer.

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Sara Korolevich: Coordination of a telecom service provider and the elevator company tech is difficult when dealing with communications repair.

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Sara Korolevich: I think there's a clarification question here.

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Sara Korolevich: So the additional brake covers the additional brake covers failure of an old brake, and new elevators use redundancy. Is that true?

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Greg DeCola: Well, that that's what so if you have a brand new elevator out of the box, it's gonna have a double brake on it, or or it may come out of the box with the roll grip already mounted on it. So your so your newer codes, so everything's built to the newer standard. Right now, in New York, we're on 2013 code.

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Greg DeCola: That newer standard covers unintended movement, which means, so your new elevator, so which means if you had a modernization last year, your new elevator is definitely in compliance, because it has a double braking system on it.

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Greg DeCola: You know, and again, it could be through two brakes on the machine, it could be through, you know, a double plunger break, and some have a double plunger, and they have a rope gripper, you know, to show you the redundancy of them. So yeah, so your newer elevators, will definitely

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Greg DeCola: when I do a new elevator presentation, or mod presentation, you know, and I'm talking to someone that has an elevator from the 60s and 70s and 80s, well, the new elevators are much more safer.

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Greg DeCola: However, well, due to modernization, and sometimes these new elevators may shut down a little bit more, because they have a lot more safety functions that they're monitoring. So just be be wary that the make sure you know that also.

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Sara Korolevich: Again, back to the brakes. Since this code applies to traction elevators, does that mean hydraulic elevators are exempt? Are drum machine elevators also exempt?

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Greg DeCola: and then the elevator goes up and down by wrapping and unwrapping. That is not a traction driving machine. So, those winding drum machines are compliant even if they have a single plunger on them. Because if the brake opens, the drum with the, wire rope on it is gonna hold it.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay.

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Sara Korolevich: Great.

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Sara Korolevich: Are there any

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Greg DeCola: Hold on one second, sorry. Finished my thought on that one.

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Greg DeCola: But, most of those winding drums were installed in the early 1900s.

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Greg DeCola: And you should consider them to be a modernization candidate, for sure. So, most of them date back to the 20s,

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Greg DeCola: Teens, so yes, those you've got your money's worth, how's that?

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Sara Korolevich: Okay, move on to the next one.

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Greg DeCola: Go ahead, sure.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay, in terms of longevity, is it preferred to perform the dual plunger brake upgrade versus installing a rope gripper?

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Greg DeCola: That is really scenario-based, so that's a, you know, you really have to look at what you have there now.

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Greg DeCola: And what we're dealing with.

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Greg DeCola: You know,

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Greg DeCola: the the easy answer is yes, let's modernize everything and change everything. No, sometimes sometimes, you know, you have a really good hardy control that we can get some more life out of, you know, and let's just go with the gripper.

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Greg DeCola: Sometimes, like I said, these ones that are 100 plus years old, you got your monies out of it, it's time, you know. So that's why we really want to get our eyes on and take a look at it, and survey it for you. And then we, meaning us and you, will make the right decision on this, you know.

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Greg DeCola: For you in the building, but it will be our decision with you. It's not just gonna be us saying, do this, it's gonna be me and you.

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Sara Korolevich: Okay, is there any other questions? Otherwise, I think we're good to wrap this up, and don't forget, we will be sending

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Sara Korolevich: The presentation slides, there's a lot of good information in there that you can reference, and the recording as well.

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Sara Korolevich: If should you want to watch that, or if you missed anything.

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Sara Korolevich: And I think we're good. Greg, thank you again for presenting for us. We certainly appreciate it.

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Greg DeCola: I do, I really appreciate information.

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Greg DeCola: Yep, I really appreciate the opportunity. Thank you, everyone. You can reach out to me through VDA, you know, there's different ways of getting ahold of us, but I think we're gonna start doing a bunch of series of these talks like this, just to get some information out to you guys.

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Greg DeCola: But thank you, I really appreciate it. Really nice, good, targeted questions also.

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Sara Korolevich: Yes. Thank you, everyone, for joining us.

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Sara Korolevich: Appreciate it.